THE OFFICIAL COLLEGE OUTREACH ARM OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY
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I am a property owner and pay my taxes which goes to the school system. I will admit I have been trying to find out how Senator Obama plans on paying for the additional teachers he is telling America he is going to employ.

My question is simple, where is the money going to come from in hiring these teachers and how is the local school boards going to be involved in this hiring? Does this mean my property taxes will go up?

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answer
By Lincoln Park Dem Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:04 am EDT (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:04 am EDT)
If things keep going the way they are now, you'll find out the specifics to your question shortly after January 20th when Preisdent Obam implements his plans.

I think most Democrats wouldn't mind making some sacrifices to make sure all kids have a good shot at a world calls education.

Property taxes are not federal taxes...you know that.
Re: answer
By illinoismel Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:12 am EDT (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:12 am EDT)
It is not up to the federal government to decide what each school system needs, or is it? The bottom line is he is promising all these new teachers. Ok, where is the money coming from to hire them? Just tell me that.

You are telling me that I must pay higher taxes to hire more teachers? Taxes on top of homes that are in foreclosure that county and state governments are not getting money from now in the first place?
Re: answer
By Lincoln Park Dem Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:19 am EDT (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:19 am EDT)
Do you think it's fair that kids in poor urban areas receive a better education than a kid in an affualent suburb where the propert taxes are higher?

Bill Clinton managed to put a whole lot of cops on the streets when local taxes fund polics departments.

As I said, most Democrats would scarifice a little to insure every child receives a good education. Lastly, wait until January 20th for more specifics.

Last thing......if we don't make education a priority, we will not recognize this country in the future. We will not be a world leader for sure.
Re: answer
By illinoismel Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:24 am EDT (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:24 am EDT)
So, you are saying because I live in a rural area I should pay more taxes to support an urban area? So much for any tax break being given to us, huh?
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By Lincoln Park Dem Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:28 am EDT (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:28 am EDT)
If I had it my way you sure would. And I would be willing to do the same if I lived in a rural area. I rarely agree with you, but I can't believe you think it it is right that where you live depends on if you get a good education or a crappy one. That's parents buying an education and if your parents don't have money...you get the shaft.
Re: answer
By SemperFiWM Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:38 am EDT (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:38 am EDT)
Wow, it's hard to combat ignorance.

I feel it is my obligation to try.

Wouldn't a rich area compensate for a poor area? It's called Robin Hood. Most rural areas are extremely poor - hence, they are rural. People don't live there to get ahead. They live there to enjoy what is most important - LIFE. Just enough to put a shelter over their heads and food on the table.

How about this for a topic... if people wouldn't take so much of a handout, then there would be enough for education.

Just something to chew on!
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By Lincoln Park Dem Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:43 am EDT (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:43 am EDT)
Sure, people want to move to places with the best school districts. Poor people can't afford to live there.

NO...I don't it is a fair system and we've had this debate here before.

Just my opinion. And no...you don't have to like it.
Re: answer
By SemperFiWM Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:50 am EDT (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:50 am EDT)
Dallas has had the TOP public magnate schools for years and it is all urban poor districts. If I were you I would look back at the people running your joint for answers.

More than likely, all the money in the world can't fix a rotten system. And there are examples of that EVERYWHERE.
Re: answer
By Patriotic08 Nov 3rd 2008 at 4:15 am EST (Updated Nov 3rd 2008 at 4:15 am EST)
Welfare system doesn't even take up 12% of our budget! The biggest mandatory spending is: MILITARY and second is SOCIAL SECURITY.

Other budget spending besides mandatory spending is, discretionary spending and appropriations. We no longer have money for discretionary or appropriations (military once more). People aren't taking hand-outs, not sure why people call it that, Food Stamps is funded by farmers of America and Health & Welfare is paid back, mandatory now, by locating fathers and attaching wages. My ex-husband owed me over $60,000 and finally found him, meanwhile I used welfare system and had to pay them back. I used $21,000 and they took ALL Of the $60,000 plus. I couldn't fight them, I was too busy in college and trying to feed my 3 children. In the end, the government made money off of my divorce, they got paid back three times the amount! Yeah, that's ignorant alright. Chew on that.
Re: Obama had nothing to do with this!
By Democrat in Irving, TX Nov 2nd 2008 at 6:53 am EST (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 6:53 am EST)
My property taxes went up when we were given a decease by the State government - and you know why!
They raised my property value way up! And even disputing it - they just lowered the higher value a little. Thus increases in school, city and county taxes - just not as much as it would have been if the State has not given a little cut!
There are also properties in this City that are carried in the low millions and listed in the "For Sale" real estate section for $5 to $10 million dollars.
There is a piece of property downtown that has been carried on the property tax books for 7.5 million for ever and the City has agreed to buy it for 40.5 million dollars to build a city hotel.
No Kidding.
And what shape is the SchoolDistrict in. They hired 800 new teachers for the year - then came up with an 84 million dollar shortfall and fired lots of them after school started. Then they rehired 60 back!
Obama had nothing to do with this. Look to your local School District for accountability!
Re: Obama had nothing to do with this!
By Patriotic08 Nov 3rd 2008 at 4:27 am EST (Updated Nov 3rd 2008 at 4:27 am EST)
Property taxes pay for roads and school maintenance.

You're mixing apples and oranges in your rant.

City budgets get their money from federal government appropriations and lids and parking tickets. lol.

The reason your school district most likely fired and rehired was, they needed the teachers, so they hired, their budget to meet the cost, so they HAD to fire however many (?), then they ran an emergency budget through the School Board and then submitted it to the County Assessors office to adjust property taxes and ran the figures, so they could rehire, but could only afford the 64 out of how ever many they fired; and submitted for emergency funding from the government.
Re: answer
By Patriotic08 Nov 3rd 2008 at 4:07 am EST (Updated Nov 3rd 2008 at 4:07 am EST)
School boards figure a budget and submit it to the state and federal.

There are different parts of a budget: mandatory spending, discretionary spending and appropriations. We have NO money for anything but mandatory now; and in that mandatory spending, it's only two things: social security and military spending. We're going to have to cut it somewhere.

We get our budget from taxation. If we roll back the taxes on wealthy to former Clinton era, we can afford to cut middle class and STILL make taxes to apply to mandatory budget. The discretionary spending is all the good, bad and ugly earmarks and more. Appropriations is just another military budget line. Most our taxes are spent on military, so I've always said that if we ended this war, our economy would rejuvenate; continuing the war is killing our economy and wasting our resources.
Re: answer
By illinoismel Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:17 am EDT (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:17 am EDT)
"Property taxes are not federal taxes...you know that."

And when you can tell me that the Federal Government pays for teachers and their retirement will be the day pigs fly. I can prove to you on my property taxes who supports the school system here in IL.
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By Lincoln Park Dem Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:21 am EDT (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:21 am EDT)
I said, the federal givernment does NOT pay for local teachers. The federal government cann set standards and provide money for educational programs.

We could elect McCain and make sure nothing is done about education. But we won't...thank God.
Re: answer
By illinoismel Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:27 am EDT (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:27 am EDT)
In case you are not paying attention, I want to know where the money is going to come from to hire all these new teachers he is promising America. Teachers are paid through various means in different states. I want to know where the money is coming from. Don't tell me taxpayers because only property owners pay these taxes and if it is going to be a tax on all people then that is fair.
Re: answer
By Lincoln Park Dem Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:32 am EDT (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:32 am EDT)
Mel...you know the answer. The federal government will have programs that they fund...anf taxpayers will fund it. Like all the other federal programs we have.

But there will be more money if we're stop spending billions in Iraq.

And you also know that levi's are voted on for schools and are met with opposition because cheap, 'all about me' people aren't willing to invest in education. And that's a shame.
Re: answer
By illinoismel Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:56 am EDT (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:56 am EDT)
Lincoln, you are so not into reality. The federal government will not have programs to pay for teachers at anyone's local school. Taking money from Iraq will not do a damn thing for the educational system here in the USA. The only educational system being funded by the federal government is the schools being set up by our federal tax dollars in other countries. Man, take a look at reality for a change.

Do you own property? Do you pay tax dollars? The price of your homes in Chicago area should be giving you a stellar education for all students. Why not? I'm serious here. My little corner of the world should not pay any more taxes for people living in an urban area. Maybe the urban people should pay for their own, ever think of that?
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By Patriotic08 Nov 3rd 2008 at 4:35 am EST (Updated Nov 3rd 2008 at 4:35 am EST)
Homeowners pay taxes, that funds your schools, but the federal government gives a certain amount of money to every state per child, and for special needs, and various educational programs.

The problem people don't get is, there's a certain amount that comes into a budget, then it's divided up, like a pie, the greatest portion goes to military and social security, it's under mandatory spending. Then after that comes discretionary spending, it's flexible, because programs come and go (for instance No Child Left Behind and GWB had another line in the budget, can't recall that name at the moment, but that will be ended when Barack gets in...so that money would be free to go elsewhere). The budget is going to be gone over, line, by line. Whether it's McCain or Barack they have to do this, democrats use more of the budget for infrastructure, innovation and education, while republicans dole it out for industry, to make the wealthy even more wealthy (hoping it will trickle down effect), but it hasn't worked.
Re: answer
By SemperFiWM Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:29 am EDT (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:29 am EDT)
If you are going to try to answer, as least do it with a smidgeon of intellect.

#1 - If you own property or buy stuff in your state and pay sales tax, you pay for schools.

#2 - Republicans pay as much taxes as Democrats.

#3 - Since schools are state driven (even you have stated) then why even make a stupid comment about McCain?

May I ask, do you own property?
Re: answer
By Lincoln Park Dem Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:34 am EDT (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:34 am EDT)
Mel is looking for a way to blame Obama. There's a lot of history here. She would never support or vote Obama. She comes here once in while to stir the pot.
Re: answer
By illinoismel Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:41 am EDT (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:41 am EDT)
I am not looking for a way to blame anyone. I have a simple question that needs an answer.

I am not stirring the pot, I am wanting to know. I have read his site and cannot find an answer to my question. I would think many property owners would question this. It is not unfair to ask, nor is it unfair to expect an intelligent answer.

Bottom line is I am a single person and according to the calculator of his tax saving, I will get less than $1000. But, I also own property and how much of that tax savings is going to be paid to what with my property taxes going up?

Is there a problem with a registered Democrat asking a question on a Democratic site that I have helped pay for over the years?
Re: answer
By Lincoln Park Dem Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:45 am EDT (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:45 am EDT)
Mel.... since when does the federal governement tax your property?????? They don't.

Other taxes may go up for education programs that are funded at the federal level.
Re: answer
By SemperFiWM Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:44 am EDT (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:44 am EDT)
Wow, now that is a slanderous comment!

I just reread (twice) what she wrote and it seems like a simple question to me. Do you know how to read or does anything coming from someone who may not be sold on the same bill of goods you are immediately suspect as a hater?

I have to admit, your answer alone would turn me off "wait until January for the answer". Honestly, if you can't answer correctly you are only hurting the cause.

I think you are wrong. If Mel had proof that:

#1 - Obama is not pandering.
#2 - Obama hasn't gone back on his word several times. Especially in Illinois.
#3 - He had a viable plan AND one that would pass muster in Congress (like the "no taxes for $250K and under" pandering).

I think she would be the FIRST on Obama's bandwagon.
Re: answer
By Lincoln Park Dem Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:48 am EDT (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:48 am EDT)
YOU are absolutely clueless. You have missed months and months of what has happened on this site with a group that was here and was banned for smearing Obama. A group this blogger created.

Really...you have no idea.

Not wasting my time on this particular blog anymore.

Mel would never support Obama and I know because I read her blogs on another site.
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By SemperFiWM Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:59 am EDT (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:59 am EDT)
I see you are doing a GREAT job of persuading those that are searching for ANY amount of justification to back Obama.

I also see that 1st Amendment Rights are just folly here. So good to know!

I'm not clueless to your childish games. I don't see where a dumb answer to a very reasonable question is very adult like.

Run if you want. This does get old quick!

You are the weakest link!
Re: answer
By Lincoln Park Dem Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:10 am EDT (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:10 am EDT)
I don't waste my time on GOP trolls.

be my guest.
Re: answer
By SemperFiWM Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:17 am EDT (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:17 am EDT)
Another childish comment.

What happened to change - meaning real answers to real questions?

Nothing's changed - ignorance rules. It's another 4 or 8 years of nothing.
Re: You are so right!
By Democrat in Irving, TX Nov 2nd 2008 at 7:06 am EST (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 7:06 am EST)
The ones of us who can afford certainly do not mind paying more local taxes for decent education for the children.
Accountability is the answer and we certainly have none in the Dallas School District.
  
In Texas
By Maggie Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:32 am EDT (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:32 am EDT)
we have multiple levels of administrative personel. Some make more than the average tenured teacher. I believe that here paring down the "chiefs" so to speak would free up enough money to staff our class rooms with well paid teachers.
Re: In Texas
By illinoismel Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:49 am EDT (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 1:49 am EDT)
Maggie, get a copy of your local teacher's union agreement. I think you will be astonished as to what they are paid for. Stipends for lunch room, stipends for recess, stipends even for working the local ballgames are written into many contrancts now. And our property tax dollars fund this. This is just something people need to look into. Property owners fund the educational system in this country and we have the government now going to tell us how to run it?
Re: In Texas
By Democrat in Irving, TX Nov 2nd 2008 at 7:19 am EST (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 7:19 am EST)
Wrong! It may be written in their contract. But teachers get very little extras.
Most pay out of their own pocket for little "bonuses" for their kids.
Much less administration and wasteful spending and more teachers!
It is all about accountability.
Re: In Texas
By Patriotic08 Nov 3rd 2008 at 4:49 am EST (Updated Nov 3rd 2008 at 4:49 am EST)
You're totally misunderstanding how schools are funded and how the federal government programs funds. They are 2 separate funding entities: one is the state, and Barack will change some of the federal funding already going to school to other programs. For instance, maybe a school district gets $12,000 per year (let's say) for No Child Left Behind, or vouchers, or something, so McCain or Barack come along and knock it out, and add that $12,000 discretionary spending to college funds, or some other program in existence (or they start one) somewhere to do with education.

Read this and it may turn on a light bulb:
Link
There is a difference between state budgets and federal. States get it from taxes (property and sales), government gets it from income taxes.
Re: In Texas
By Patriotic08 Nov 3rd 2008 at 4:58 am EST (Updated Nov 3rd 2008 at 4:58 am EST)
It's the yellow part in the pie chart that they will have to play with, or adjust, as the rest of the pie is pretty much fixed because of the war debt. Hope it helps you a little and check with the county assessor to get your taxes down on your house, you can appeal.
Re: In Texas
By Democrat in Irving, TX Nov 2nd 2008 at 7:08 am EST (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 7:08 am EST)
Right on! What a mess we have here in Dallas!
  
Taxes and Education
By Nelsd Nov 2nd 2008 at 5:47 am EST (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 5:47 am EST)
You are having two debates Taxes and Education. On Taxes, When the Federal Government puts money in Education that is money coming back to your state Not like Bush's No Child Left Behind where he created a plan and told the states to fund it.
On Education. Our Kids no longer compete on the world level.
With that said we are educating kids for jobs that are not hear but that is another debate.
One thing I have always said and I say this about my kids or anyone's kids, We have a choice, We can either Educate them or Support them.
That is the real debate. Every kid that does not get a good education will cost more to support and be a drain on our country.
  
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By Bill Dickson Nov 2nd 2008 at 9:27 am EST (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 9:27 am EST)
The two "lite brigade" trolls are either living down to their typical dishonesty or they really are as stupid as I thought.

If every state were forced to educate their youth with only the money generated by property taxes, all children would be in one room schools, using chalk boards to learn how to cipher.

The federal government sends $58 Billion dollars to the states for education. It needs to be more. It will be more, much more under Obama. Mel, if your taxes go up, too damn bad. We owe it to our children to educate them. In a country as rich as ours, education and healthcare should be a birthright.
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By Lincoln Park Dem Nov 2nd 2008 at 11:34 am EST (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 11:34 am EST)
Amen! Guess they're bored on their own site and have to come here for their drama that they incite.

They have no ideas, they know Obama will win and they are attemeting to make us as miserable as they are.
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By SemperFiWM Nov 2nd 2008 at 3:07 pm EST (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 3:07 pm EST)
You totally miss the point. Please read and understand before you put your foot in your mouth.

Stupid is, as stupid does.

If the shoe fits...

Look who's calling the kettle black...

What part of Ft. Worth do you live in? Because when we were under the Robin Hood plan, my county paid the most for poor schools in Texas. Sure, I want to pay my part. But I expect EVERYONE to pay SOMETHING. That doesn't happen when property taxes are the main source of revenue for schools.

#1 - You are protecting someone who doesn't pay property taxes.

#2 - You are calling people names for asking an extremely simple question.

#3 - You didn't even offer an answer.

Why waste the time. Or do you have no life?
  
simple answer
By Steve Wilson Nov 2nd 2008 at 10:37 am EST (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 10:37 am EST)
Re-prioritize.

Compared to McCain, Obama will spend trillions less on unnecessary war.

Simple question for you:

Is this really the biggest question you have before the election?

It is way down on my list of priorities. Any amount that would be spent on new teachers would pay for itself in the long run anyway.
Re: simple answer
By SemperFiWM Nov 2nd 2008 at 3:10 pm EST (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 3:10 pm EST)
Do you have kids? Do you pay property taxes? It is a very big area of concern for most property owners. And then those that get hand-outs want to complain about what they get.

Most of us work very hard for what we have and can hardly pay for anyone else, much less everyone else.

If you can't answer a simple question with a plan, then don't waste our time.
  
only a portion
By MICHAEL on The Beach Nov 2nd 2008 at 3:09 pm EST (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 3:09 pm EST)
Property taxes cover only a portion of education.
Re: only a portion
By SemperFiWM Nov 2nd 2008 at 3:21 pm EST (Updated Nov 2nd 2008 at 3:21 pm EST)
-Texas public schools are currently financed 56% from property taxes, 41% other state sources and 3% federal sources.

So, those that rent can't complain too much about their schools.
Re: only a portion
By Patriotic08 Nov 3rd 2008 at 5:02 am EST (Updated Nov 3rd 2008 at 5:02 am EST)
Link?
  
We've been punked
By Patriotic08 Nov 3rd 2008 at 5:05 am EST (Updated Nov 3rd 2008 at 5:05 am EST)
We need to end this war, save $10 million per day and we could get back to basics of education, who cares?

Had we not been punked and duped a second time by idiots in Ohio, then we wouldn't have the deficit we do, and we could start rebuilding our OWN infrastructure (including funding our own broken down schools).
  
Another point
By Patriotic08 Nov 3rd 2008 at 5:13 am EST (Updated Nov 3rd 2008 at 5:13 am EST)
It's mostly about college tenure laws and how prof's get paid, or not paid. He'll make sure it's a just process, right now it's not.

He's also stated that if students put in community service work, he'll knock off tuition, so it's meant for college, not high school. Listening sometimes offer clues.