THE OFFICIAL COLLEGE OUTREACH ARM OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY
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I watched and commented as many of you trashed Senator Clinton, I watched as many of you said you would never vote for her, I watched as many of you said you would withhold any monies if they were going to pay off her campaign debt and yet today I see some of you saying Hillary will rip her (meaning the new Rep. VP candidate) to pieces. What makes you think this is Hillary's job?

Senator Clinton is Senator Clinton now, campaigning for the Democratic nominee. Why is it necessary to bring her up? Why does this party still involve Senator Clinton? How about Governor Richardson ripping into the new Republican VP candidate or Sen. Edwards? But better yet, how about the Honorable Nancy Pelosi taking a stand against this person in waiting?

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Who's saying that?
By Steve Wilson Aug 30th 2008 at 12:49 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 12:49 am EDT)
I missed it.
  
Because This Joke of a...
By Donia19 Aug 30th 2008 at 1:00 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 1:00 am EDT)
Woman was entered as a substitution for Hillary, and that's an insult to Hillary.

I've ALWAYS stated that I would support Hillary if she was the nominee, and have sent a good sum of money to help retire her debts.
Re: Because This Joke of a...
By illinoismel Aug 30th 2008 at 1:04 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 1:04 am EDT)
So read down through today's posts and look how many times Hillary is mentioned. Hillary is not in this election and should be left totally out of it. Senator Obama opted for Senator Biden and everywhere you see Hillary's name, it should be replaced with Senator Biden's name, shouldn't it? I mean we are talking VP candidate against VP candidate aren't we?
Re: Because This Joke of a...
By Lincoln Park Dem Aug 30th 2008 at 1:13 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 1:13 am EDT)
McCain picked Palin to try to get some of the hard core Hillary voters. We all know that. it is also a fact that some of the hard core Hillary voters were voting Hillary mainly because she was a woman and they wanted that 'glass ceiling' broken.

Really, as a fervent Hillary supporter you should be really insulted that mcCain has the gaul to try to replace Hillary with Palin to Hillary die hards. She stands for everything that Hillary stood against, The only thing Hillary and Palin have in commone is some body parts.

It really is sad this race is still about sex. Now McCain is playing the sexism card to woo voters.

What do Democrats want? We want all hands on board to win. That includes Hillary. Winning is in the best interest of the country.
Re: Because This Joke of a...
By illinoismel Aug 30th 2008 at 1:23 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 1:23 am EDT)
So LPD are you telling me the people in the state of Alaska didn't know what they were doing when they elected this person their governor?

And now, when everyone was saying this election was not about sexism, you now are saying it is by virtue of Senator McCain picking a woman the election is about sex?

The whole point of my post is Senator Clinton is just that, Senator Clinton, the Honorable Senator from New York. It is not up to her to fight this Republican Governor, yet many here seem to still want to involve her. This fight is up to Senators Obama and Biden, not Senator Clinton. The trashing going on right now here on this site is sexism, not politics. Attack her politics if you must, but leave the sexism out of it. You only feed the Republican party by bringing sex into it, but I guess you all are smart enough to know that.
Re: Because This Joke of a...
By Steve Wilson Aug 30th 2008 at 1:14 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 1:14 am EDT)
I mentioned Hillary. I don't remember exactly what I wrote, but it was something like...I will love to see her response to the Palin pick. Some reporter will ask her about it.

But I've been on since about 10am and read most everything...and nothing stands out.


Except Terry constantly ruining everybody's posts by saying we didn't pick Hillary and its now up to Joe....on posts that had nothing to do with our ticket. Maybe people were just pissed at him and threw something out...but once I see somebody doing what he does...I start ignoring the responses to him (or is terry a female. I never know on this site).
Re: Because This Joke of a...
By Patriotic08 Aug 30th 2008 at 4:22 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 4:22 am EDT)
The GOP attacked Hillary constantly, then once she was gone, they claimed she was choice. oh Lord.

The point was, McCain insulted Hillary. Here's how: Hillary put many hours, blood, sweat and tears into working as a Congresswoman, then even harder work into her campaign. She's out, but McCain had the audacity to take an inexperienced woman from outside the realm and put all his trust and keys in to her hands. What message is he sending? That he thought women should have a chance? If he did, why didn't he vet a woman NOT under investigation of interfering in a 2 yr old divorce case? Of if his message was flipping a bird at Hillary, he used the wrong finger! What's wrong with his head, he's been attacking BO forever on "WHO is he?" and "Why didn't he take Hillary?" What a hypocrite. I'm gonna scream "WHO" is she? (Well, I know exactly who she is and what she does, I share the same state and see her often. It's wasted debate on McC's part. I felt Hillary was strong and experienced, I don't feel Sarah has experience to make her strong contender (I know her), but the country does not, she's in your face to climb to the top at all cost, wants the lime light on her. She's worse than Bush and McCain combined. Creepy. Sorry you don't see the connection.
zzzzz nite.
Re: Because This Joke of a...
By illinoismel Aug 30th 2008 at 1:08 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 1:08 am EDT)
And I would also like to say just this, I don't care what politics a woman is, it is not a joke when running for political office in any capacity.
Re: Because This Joke of a...
By Steve Wilson Aug 30th 2008 at 1:22 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 1:22 am EDT)
No it is especially not a joke when a cynical gender-panderer tries to fool people. Especially when a known womanizer does it. NO Way.NO How. Not Funny. You forget, she is not running.....she was picked. VP doesn't run for office...that is a myth. No separate item on the ballot. It used to be, but not anymore.
Re: Because This Joke of a...
By Patriotic08 Aug 30th 2008 at 4:28 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 4:28 am EDT)
So what do you call the debate that will occur between Biden and Palin? There will be a debate, you know.

Then there will be a debate between Obama and McC.

I keep seeing media mix something up,it goes like this: They say Palin has.... blah, blah, blah over Obama. It's NOT between Palin and Obama; rather, it's between Palin and Biden (she loses), either way, either guy, she loses. But you can't put a VP from opposition against our running president and the media is getting by with that because the GOP planted that seed.
Re: Because This Joke of a...
By Jim A. Aug 30th 2008 at 4:40 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 4:40 am EDT)
Dear Michelle, you have to work harder, you are a true dem and these fools are assaulting OUR party. thank you in advance for your help.
Re: Because This Joke of a...
By Blueberry Aug 30th 2008 at 1:30 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 1:30 am EDT)
And, it is absolutely NOT a joke for you to pretend that her selection isn't all about Hillary. THAT'S why we're all talking about them. And it is absolutely pathetic for you and Terry, et al, believe that ANY woman is better than a qualified woman. That is the difference between your generation of women and my generation. A uterus does not make one smarter or more qualified. There are good women and bad women. The ONLY sexism played out here on this blog is from you LightASSweight Brigade Hillary crybabies.
Re: Because This Joke of a...
By illinoismel Aug 30th 2008 at 3:14 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 3:14 am EDT)
Kathleen, you seem to miss the entire point of my post. You see, I am tired of Senator Clinton being dragged into this. Now all of a sudden, the person that garnered 18 million votes that was discarded by the Democratic party is being played again by the people here on Party Builder. Let her go. You didn't want her then and you seem to want to play her now. We had our chance to make history with Senator Clinton, but it was not to be. So, leave her out of the conversation.

Now, you are also bringing in generational issues? Ok, so you don't want us old women anymore either? So be it. God how I do so love this party building.
Re: Because This Joke of a...
By Steve Wilson Aug 30th 2008 at 1:49 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 1:49 am EDT)
BTW mel.....I love female candidates and officeholders. My sister (1 yr older) won three terms in the CA State Assembly and got smeared for doing a sexy photoshoot for San Jose Magazine.

My personal favorite was Barbara Jordan. Somehow I always thought she might become the first woman prez.
  
Re: You're kidding, right?
By FRE2BME Aug 30th 2008 at 1:17 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 1:17 am EDT)
The only publicity he is getting is as the butt of a joke right now. I don't see sincerity. I see a puppet on a string. I mean not only is she unknown to us, she is unknown to him.
Re: McCain Takes on Chance on Women
By Lincoln Park Dem Aug 30th 2008 at 1:17 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 1:17 am EDT)
What John McCain showed today is that he will do anyting to win inclduing puttting and inexperienced candiudate a heart beat away from the presidency. Mind you that candidate has NO foreign relations expereince and these are tubualnt times.

What John McCain showed today is that he will use womna to obtain the presidency. He is not standing up for woman..he picked a far right extreme woman to appease his base.
Re: McCain Takes on Chance on Women
By illinoismel Aug 30th 2008 at 1:36 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 1:36 am EDT)
"What John McCain showed today is that he will do anyting to win inclduing puttting and inexperienced candiudate a heart beat away from the presidency. Mind you that candidate has NO foreign relations expereince and these are tubualnt times"

LPD, you open yourself up to someone ready to argue but I am not going to do it because you simply aren't worth being banned for. I think the Republicans are already running ads that Hillary and Joe Biden both said the same thing about Obama - I don't live in a swing state so I haven't seen them but it is in the press.
Re: McCain Takes on Chance on Women
By Artemis Aug 30th 2008 at 1:17 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 1:17 am EDT)
McCain met her ONCE at an Alaska state fair quite a while back and then, out of nowhere, calls her. What's the real message here? Not a brilliant one, I can tell you that.
Re: McCain Takes on Chance on Women
By Artemis Aug 30th 2008 at 1:20 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 1:20 am EDT)
she has no foreign policy experience and only governed a town of 7,500 before becoming governor less than two years ago. Don't fall for it.
Re: McCain Takes on Chance on Women
By Artemis Aug 30th 2008 at 1:22 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 1:22 am EDT)
He picked a former Miss Alaska contestant - a hottie. Bill Maher refers to her a a "MILF." John McCain is chasing skirts. Somebody, please curb his Viagara.
Re: McCain Takes on Chance on Women
By Artemis Aug 30th 2008 at 1:31 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 1:31 am EDT)
A woman who has governed a state 1/5 the size of Chicago for TWO years is expected to take over if/when McCain gets cancer again? My friends, that's not change we can believe in...

Oh, it's a lady... I'm a lady too. Let's vote for his choice?
Re: McCain Takes on Chance on Women
By Blueberry Aug 30th 2008 at 1:33 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 1:33 am EDT)
Pick me! Pick me! I'm a lady, have 5 kids and manage my household and ranch! Pick me!
Re: McCain Takes on Chance on Women
By Artemis Aug 30th 2008 at 1:38 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 1:38 am EDT)
giddy up!
Re: McCain Takes on Chance on Women
By Jim A. Aug 30th 2008 at 4:46 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 4:46 am EDT)
Thanks Kathleen, you and Michelle and Tonya and and DeeAnne and AnneK and Gretchen can handle this kinda stuff, no problem.
Re: McCain Takes on Chance on Women
By Steve Wilson Aug 30th 2008 at 1:29 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 1:29 am EDT)
Boy this is ez for you. Elanor. Look at gender of VP and vote. That must be what men have been doing for centuries.
Re: McCain Takes on Chance on Women
By Blueberry Aug 30th 2008 at 1:32 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 1:32 am EDT)
Yes, the epitome of sexism.
  
Re: McCain Takes on Chance on Women
By Artemis Aug 30th 2008 at 1:36 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 1:36 am EDT)
Oh my word... "F" someone? I can't believe this argument is taking place on the DNC site and that McCain is getting a pass for a pandering choice that's even more questionable that than of the current POTUS. D-U-M-B.

Yes, I suggested that McCain is shallow. What vetting could have possibly gone on here, considering the other choices he had? Romney? Pawlenty? Jindal?
  
Re: McCain Takes on Chance on Women
By Artemis Aug 30th 2008 at 1:40 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 1:40 am EDT)
PS- you're spelling Eleanor's name wrong too. No offense but... She was an awesome person and I'd like to see her name honored correctly if it's going to be displayed every time you post. Sorry. Thanks.
Re: McCain Takes on Chance on Women
By Steve Wilson Aug 30th 2008 at 1:41 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 1:41 am EDT)
Who's fault is that? Now I see. No one was supposed to run this time. It was supposed to be a coronation. It's Obama's fault merely for putting his hat in the ring. I get it.
Re: McCain Takes on Chance on Women
By Blueberry Aug 30th 2008 at 1:43 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 1:43 am EDT)
The uppity boy dethroned the Queen. Cry me a river.....
  
Re: McCain Takes on Chance on Women
By Artemis Aug 30th 2008 at 1:37 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 1:37 am EDT)
Am I a MILF? I find the term offensive but, I suppose so. I get some looks here and there for boys in their 20's but...
Re: McCain Takes on Chance on Women
By Blueberry Aug 30th 2008 at 1:39 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 1:39 am EDT)
Go cheer for Palin and stop desecrating Eleanor’s name in your title.
  
Clinton has no obligation to critisize Palin
By 57 year old independent white male Aug 30th 2008 at 3:13 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 3:13 am EDT)
It is not Clinton's job to critisize Palin.

The election is between McCain/Palin and Obama/Biden.

It is not against Hillary Clinton
Re: Clinton has no obligation to critisize Palin
By illinoismel Aug 30th 2008 at 3:38 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 3:38 am EDT)
My goodness, I don't believe it. Someone finally gets it.
Re: Clinton has no obligation to critisize Palin
By Jim A. Aug 30th 2008 at 4:55 am EDT (Updated Aug 30th 2008 at 4:55 am EDT)
If she is a Democrat which I know she is, she will fight just on principle, just like many of us.