THE OFFICIAL COLLEGE OUTREACH ARM OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY
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Today I was able to read bits and pieces of a blog written by Blueberry in which people were calling for the return of Shopman. Shop is a friend of mine, but I was just confused. When the moderator banned Jack and everyone asked for him to return, he did so, but under a new email address. Ok, fine. So, is the issue that Shopman can't return at all or is it you want him to be known as Shopman again or Thee Shopman as he is currently registered under? Just a little clarification on my part. Thanks.

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Shop
By Lincoln Park Dem Aug 18th 2008 at 10:39 pm EDT (Updated Aug 18th 2008 at 10:39 pm EDT)
He said he would not come back again as anyone but Shopman...that is my understanding.
Re: Shop
By illinoismel Aug 18th 2008 at 10:42 pm EDT (Updated Aug 18th 2008 at 10:42 pm EDT)
LPD, you signed on as a friend of his as well as I did this weekend. You are right above me on his friends list so what are you talking about?
Re: Shop
By illinoismel Aug 18th 2008 at 10:43 pm EDT (Updated Aug 18th 2008 at 10:43 pm EDT)
Ooops, I meant right below me as I comes before L
Re: Shop
By Barbara"Obama/Biden"Hussein Aug 18th 2008 at 11:02 pm EDT (Updated Aug 18th 2008 at 11:02 pm EDT)
He said he wuldnt come back as anything but shopman. I asked him to be my friend as Thee shoppman too. But I havent seen him here today. Some of the others I dont miss.
  
his last post
By Lincoln Park Dem Aug 18th 2008 at 10:41 pm EDT (Updated Aug 18th 2008 at 10:41 pm EDT)
  
Good evening Mel,
By Vidya Aug 18th 2008 at 10:47 pm EDT (Updated Aug 18th 2008 at 10:47 pm EDT)
Good evening PC, I invite you both to weigh in my most recent post, I think you will find quite interesting.

You know how to find it.

LOL
Re: Good evening Mel,
By Vidya Aug 18th 2008 at 11:27 pm EDT (Updated Aug 18th 2008 at 11:27 pm EDT)
But just in case....

Link

lol
Re: Good evening Mel,
By WOMAN Aug 19th 2008 at 10:41 pm EDT (Updated Aug 19th 2008 at 10:41 pm EDT)
Darn, I miss all the "good" crap!!!
Re: Yup
By Jan CO Aug 18th 2008 at 11:12 pm EDT (Updated Aug 18th 2008 at 11:12 pm EDT)
You're correct pc, he said he won't until everything is fully reinstated and knows the reason although he and most others believe it was Staten since he had a fit over Shopman posting step 3 of partybuilders 12 step program; Jesus and forgiveness.
Re: Yup
By Jan CO Aug 18th 2008 at 11:12 pm EDT (Updated Aug 18th 2008 at 11:12 pm EDT)
should have said "he or she"
Re: Yup
By Obama/Biden4highserenity Aug 18th 2008 at 11:47 pm EDT (Updated Aug 18th 2008 at 11:47 pm EDT)
If my memory serves Sandi and statenisland went after Ben on his birthday calling him a nazi and a troll---I don't remember which one called him what.
A "group" of people, went to Matt to have him banned because of a "joke" blog he did about a bra---they also went after him on their newsletter for the same "joke" blog----Link
they got him banned, imo because I did not see anyone else that was upset about his blog---certainly not me.
Statenisland went after shopman for one of his wonderful 12 step blogs.
He was posting beautiful 12 step blogs, and calming everyone down after a frenzy of attack blogs------my favorite was the Serenity one he did with the water and the raindrop----everyone loved them all except staten----who said s/he was offended by the one called forgiveness and portrayed Jesus.
Shopman appologized the him/her ---but I guess that wasn't enough.
So, please, if this is about Shopman and Ben, being reported unfairly, PLEASE TALK TO THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE.
Well, ya know......
By Vidya Aug 19th 2008 at 12:08 am EDT (Updated Aug 19th 2008 at 12:08 am EDT)
Only professional pyrotechnicians "should" make a habit of playing with fire, innocent by standers could get burned.

Seriously, don't play with fire kids.
Re: Yup
By Barbara"Obama/Biden"Hussein Aug 19th 2008 at 12:35 am EDT (Updated Aug 19th 2008 at 12:35 am EDT)
Ummmmm, I didnt knw that. Interesting.
  
Thank you, but it took no courage from me.
By Vidya Aug 18th 2008 at 11:01 pm EDT (Updated Aug 18th 2008 at 11:01 pm EDT)
Just laying the cards out as I see em.

I know how commenting on some of the posts here seem prohibitive lately, especially with certain bloggers.

I am sure the position I was in was not an enviable one.

LOL
Re: Thank you, but it took no courage from me.
By Lincoln Park Dem Aug 18th 2008 at 11:26 pm EDT (Updated Aug 18th 2008 at 11:26 pm EDT)
oh...your earlier blog vidya. Blueberry delted it herself.
Re: Thank you, but it took no courage from me.
By Vidya Aug 18th 2008 at 11:30 pm EDT (Updated Aug 18th 2008 at 11:30 pm EDT)
Thank you lpd, I made the following deletion.

The fact that Blueberry's post was just entirely deleted is unacceptable.

;P
Re: Thank you, but it took no courage from me.
By Lincoln Park Dem Aug 18th 2008 at 11:33 pm EDT (Updated Aug 18th 2008 at 11:33 pm EDT)
well, it didn't happen. Perhaps it might be a good idea to check before blogging about something. Just a suggestion.
  
shopman or thy shopman
By SPIRITED DONA Aug 18th 2008 at 11:06 pm EDT (Updated Aug 18th 2008 at 11:06 pm EDT)
I did understand he wanted to know fair and square "why" he was off, and was resisting coming back, although, apparently he could. Shopman being let go, and Mr Bill on occasion being questioned on his integrity, this kind, devoted grandpa and widower, who did decide to vote obama, proves none of us are consideed valuable, good blogger or not. we are as disposable as kleenex! Shopman, if you read this, come back. I was the first, after Norm and LPD to befriend Thee Shopman, because decency and compassion matter to me more than politics. who can say the same?
Re: shopman or thy shopman
By Lincoln Park Dem Aug 18th 2008 at 11:11 pm EDT (Updated Aug 18th 2008 at 11:11 pm EDT)
Ben too. He wrote blogs worth reading and blogged for drama.
  
Re: Shop
By Irlandese Aug 18th 2008 at 11:23 pm EDT (Updated Aug 18th 2008 at 11:23 pm EDT)
A little conflict is good for the soul, wouldn't you all agree?
Re: Shop
By Retired Army Aug 19th 2008 at 11:22 am EDT (Updated Aug 19th 2008 at 11:22 am EDT)
Yup, I agree!
  
Yes, indeedy
By Vidya Aug 18th 2008 at 11:25 pm EDT (Updated Aug 18th 2008 at 11:25 pm EDT)
Dona is a wise and spirited one for sure.
  
Re: Shop
By Irlandese Aug 18th 2008 at 11:33 pm EDT (Updated Aug 18th 2008 at 11:33 pm EDT)
No, I haven't read that one. I can imagine, though, a world without the freedom to disagree. That would not be the world I would choose to live in. My family has fought all the way back to the American Revolution to ensure MY RIGHT TO DISAGREE. And it feels mighty fine.
Re: Shop
By Retired Army Aug 19th 2008 at 11:33 am EDT (Updated Aug 19th 2008 at 11:33 am EDT)
Then why are some many "dissenters" doomed to oblivion by being banned for expressing those rights! Kind of a quandry here as far as the term censorship is concerned. One way streets appear to be just that!
Re: Shop
By Barbara"Obama/Biden"Hussein Aug 19th 2008 at 12:16 am EDT (Updated Aug 19th 2008 at 12:16 am EDT)
Sandi, why dont you go do that now. btw are you trying to slam a felloe dem? You are really suspect girl! I'm worried about you.
Re: Shop
By Barbara"Obama/Biden"Hussein Aug 19th 2008 at 12:19 am EDT (Updated Aug 19th 2008 at 12:19 am EDT)
BTW sandi, I havent heard you ask a question all day. Only chase after others posting crap under their comments.

You are suspect!
Re: Shop
By illinoismel Aug 19th 2008 at 12:33 am EDT (Updated Aug 19th 2008 at 12:33 am EDT)
Why don't you just stick to answering my question on the original blog instead of baiting and taking it in another direction. Shopman is back under the user of Thee Shopman, so what is the problem?
Re: Shop
By Barbara"Obama/Biden"Hussein Aug 19th 2008 at 12:39 am EDT (Updated Aug 19th 2008 at 12:39 am EDT)
What are you smoking. Now I'm suppose to do what you tell me to do.

Not in my life time.

Ha Ha
Re: Shop
By AnneK Aug 19th 2008 at 12:43 am EDT (Updated Aug 19th 2008 at 12:43 am EDT)
Wow. That's so... mature and dignified. I'm truly honored to be in your noble presence of merciful and judicious blogger.
Re: Shop
By Barbara"Obama/Biden"Hussein Aug 19th 2008 at 1:19 am EDT (Updated Aug 19th 2008 at 1:19 am EDT)
You are welcome.
Re: Shop
By Gretchen Aug 19th 2008 at 1:56 am EDT (Updated Aug 19th 2008 at 1:56 am EDT)
With supporters like you and lpd... I am soooooo worried that McCain may be our next president... shaking my head...

Why don't you see how many more people you can turn against Obama...
Re: Shop
By Retired Army Aug 19th 2008 at 11:35 am EDT (Updated Aug 19th 2008 at 11:35 am EDT)
Suspect of what? You're possible diecrimination? I thought that an exchange of ideas was the purpose here, not just your way or the highway!
  
just
By Moses Aug 19th 2008 at 12:22 am EDT (Updated Aug 19th 2008 at 12:22 am EDT)
Shopman, it seems, was another casualty in the purge. It really is too bad that political correctness engendered by a few overzealous people has caused this to happen. Obama's supporters need to realize that this is no way to treat people they hope to have vote for him. I have tried to convince people like you, Mel, that he is the best candidate, and I apologize for the few whose actions have done much damage to those efforts. The banning of some people was unwarranted for the most part and engendered by people who truly should have been.
Re: just
By Barbara"Obama/Biden"Hussein Aug 19th 2008 at 12:34 am EDT (Updated Aug 19th 2008 at 12:34 am EDT)
Obama people didnt cause this. I dont appreciate you saying that.

Hatred cause this. Hatred cause all the pain America faces today.

Pure and simple.
Re: just
By Moses Aug 19th 2008 at 12:51 am EDT (Updated Aug 19th 2008 at 12:51 am EDT)
A famous umpire once said, "I call them as I see them." Truth is that some Obama supporters here have purposefully antagonized others. I didn't mention you or anybody else specifically as causing the problem. Hatred goes both ways.
Right on Moses
By AnneK Aug 19th 2008 at 12:57 am EDT (Updated Aug 19th 2008 at 12:57 am EDT)
Hatred is a poison that flows from BOTH sides around here Barbra. And the passive aggressive antagonism that you're playing at here is the perfect example.
Re: Right on Moses
By Barbara"Obama/Biden"Hussein Aug 19th 2008 at 1:22 am EDT (Updated Aug 19th 2008 at 1:22 am EDT)
Annie, you and sandi sure like to follow me around. Are you sure you are trying to Unite this party.


I call it as I see it too. And the way I see it is Right.
Re: Right on Moses
By Gretchen Aug 19th 2008 at 2:05 am EDT (Updated Aug 19th 2008 at 2:05 am EDT)
Barbara-- HEY, WAIT a GD minute-- Annek is the best uniter on this site... You and lpd have scared away more people considering Obama than ANYONE else--

I have been an Obama supporter BEFORE he decided to run-- The first time I met him I begged him to run... I volunteered immediately when they opened an office in Seattle in my "spare" time-- Mother of 5 working 60-88 hours per week-- If Obama was anything like the way you and lpd I would have worked hard for someone else... YOU TWO and a few others have done anything and everything to destroy the uniting process... If Obama looses-- LOOK in the mirror when looking for a REASON!!!

Obama walks the walk-- all you do is talk garbage an pull him down-- you are the EXACT opposite to what HE stands for!!!
Re: Right on Moses
By AnneK Aug 19th 2008 at 3:08 am EDT (Updated Aug 19th 2008 at 3:08 am EDT)
yawn
Re: just
By Gretchen Aug 19th 2008 at 1:59 am EDT (Updated Aug 19th 2008 at 1:59 am EDT)
Moses you are a VERY WISE Man!!!
Re: just
By Gretchen Aug 19th 2008 at 1:59 am EDT (Updated Aug 19th 2008 at 1:59 am EDT)
Moses you are a VERY WISE Man!!!
Re: just
By Gretchen Aug 19th 2008 at 2:06 am EDT (Updated Aug 19th 2008 at 2:06 am EDT)
this is double comment day isn't it Mel???
Re: just
By illinoismel Aug 19th 2008 at 11:03 am EDT (Updated Aug 19th 2008 at 11:03 am EDT)
Nope, that was the second Tuesday of last week
Re: just
By Gretchen Aug 19th 2008 at 2:50 pm EDT (Updated Aug 19th 2008 at 2:50 pm EDT)
damn... guess I was trying to make up for that day as I missed it..
Re: just
By Obama/Biden4highserenity Aug 19th 2008 at 2:14 am EDT (Updated Aug 19th 2008 at 2:14 am EDT)
Moses
You must have missed my comments above
If you really want to know who got Shopman banned.

I layed out clearly who got Shopman and Ben banned.
Please, if this is really about Shopman as this BLOG HEADING indicates, please focus on the ones who got him banned instead of blaming anyone else.

Or if you just want to use Shopmans being banned to be able to attack Obama supporters, go ahead, I guess.
Re: just
By Gretchen Aug 19th 2008 at 2:25 am EDT (Updated Aug 19th 2008 at 2:25 am EDT)
Moses is a very wise man-- He is right HS-- you are wrong... Moses is a great Obama supporter who has been on this site far longer than you and lpd... There is a small group of Obama supporters that are really doing Obama a disservice... With supporters like you, we may have McCain as our next president...
Re: just
By Terry Aug 19th 2008 at 10:23 pm EDT (Updated Aug 19th 2008 at 10:23 pm EDT)
Thank you Moses and Gretchen for saying what most will not for fear of being the next target.
  
Perhaps
By Someonewhocares Aug 19th 2008 at 11:33 am EDT (Updated Aug 19th 2008 at 11:33 am EDT)
Some do not realize it can go both ways. At this point since it has been reported so much about the censorship the mod has no choice to enforce it on both sides so guess some should be careful what they ask for. I saw many get banned for no reason... I do not think people should be banned but maybe now that the shoe is on the other foot people will think harder.
Looney tunes.
By Vidya Aug 19th 2008 at 10:33 pm EDT (Updated Aug 19th 2008 at 10:33 pm EDT)
Just about everything and everyone who was deleted was a mistake, other than a couple of exceptions.


Relying on the complaints of other bloggers to guide a moral compass when it comes to censorship, is totally ack basswards.
Re: Looney tunes.
By Deb Wiliams Aug 19th 2008 at 10:37 pm EDT (Updated Aug 19th 2008 at 10:37 pm EDT)
why are you guys still fussing at each other?
Huh? Someonewhocares is a friend.
By Vidya Aug 19th 2008 at 11:16 pm EDT (Updated Aug 19th 2008 at 11:16 pm EDT)
You cannot be addressing me.

So

Who are you talking about?

and

What are you fussing about?
  
Jack and Shopman
By Sue Sue's Straight Talk Express Aug 19th 2008 at 10:37 pm EDT (Updated Aug 19th 2008 at 10:37 pm EDT)
I wrote a post the other day that I am willing to meet with the moderator face to face regarding this matter. I live near the DNC headquarters in Washington. LincolnParkDem offered to help.

I think what is going on is wrong. Illinois, I don't agree with most of what you have to say but I the discussion back an forth is healthy. I think the problem is that there are some people who cross the line, now Shopman or Jack. But there are people who have called black people the N work and Nazis and the the like. Those people who are over the top are the ones that ruin it for Shopman and Jack.
Re: Jack and Shopman
By Vidya Aug 19th 2008 at 11:18 pm EDT (Updated Aug 19th 2008 at 11:18 pm EDT)
So....then, it bears repeating.

Things have gone askew, awry, afoul. If acquiescing to the complaints of other bloggers is what guides a moral compass for censorship than things have become completely ack baswards.