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Regarding agenda item: Energy and Evironment, "1 Million plug in Hybrids"
The current agenda item reads: "Put 1 million Plug-In Hybrid cars -- cars that can get up to 150 miles per gallon -- on the road by 2015, cars that we will work to make sure are built here in America. "
We need much more aggressive plug in hybrid (PHEV) production targets. 1 million PHEVs by 2015 is less than one half of one percent of the US car fleet. We will never get to our energy independence and global warming targets by such timid toe testing of the water. The goal needs to be that half of US passenger car sales must be PHEV20 (20 mile range on electricity only) or better by 2015. Since consumer demand is low and the US auto industry is ailing, the federal government should keep the factories open by financing the production of electric vehicle componenents that will be warehoused and sold back to auto companies in the coming years.
Here is why the bar is set to low: In 2006, 427,000 Camry sedans were sold in the United States. Since the Chevrolet Volt begins production in 2010, if GM alone sold electric vehicles, their total production would have to be only one half of what Toyota does in one year with the Camry alone. Can GM jump that bar? Of course it can. It's like sending a knight to chop down a tree. You don't inspire anyone to greatness that way. The current goal of 1 million PHEVs by 2015 is an unworthy goal and setting easy goals is foolish management.
Dog paddling against a tidal wave: There are 250 million registered vehicles in America today, so at this rate, we won't have the fleet, so if it takes 5 years for each million, the fleet won't be transformed for a thousand years. It is very difficult to believe that America cannot do better given 5 years, and given that GM has the necessary technology today.
Leadership consists of setting the bar high enough to challenge a people to do their best. FDR was confident that the aggressive wartime production goals he set were achievable and waved off his skeptical staff's objections.
What would be a more aggressive goal? How about that by 2015 that half our car sales are PHEV? That means 3 million per year. Is it plausible that there are federal intervention schemes and manufacturing capablity to pull this off? Sure, but Kennedy did not tell von Braun how to get to the moon. He talked to the scientists and knew the goal was achievable. It might mean buying PHEV technology from GM and licencing it to all American car manufacturers. It might mean paying for the cost of the batteries by phasing in a gas tax- 15 cents per year until the price reaches $3.50 per gallon. That might mean providing self paying loans for the added cost of the batteries that pay themselves off by electricity surcharged at a rate equivalent to $3.50 gasoline.
By 2012, we need to have a standardized metering communication interface for PHEV vehicles, to facilitate commerce in electricity recharging at work and in public places. This might be something similar to interfaces that V2green has develeoped, and might take into consideration standards for smart charging that would aid grid stabilization.








It's not about hybrid of fuel efficiency or whatever you want to call. It's about the inefficient American automakers are loosing his own market.
Why?
They can't compete with any japan automaker.
They loose the new generation of Americans and they still making cars like we are living on the 70th or 80th.
They are looser, now they want a bailout for nothing than continuing the same inefficient and nonproductive strategy
Toyota, Honda are very happy for what they done. If you want proof about it count in the school how many Japanese cars are in his parking lot, even in your neighbor and in the college and then you are going to see the reality.
Why this foreign automakers who already has big assemble plant right here in USA are quite in silence, because they know the Americans automaker with or without bailout they loose his own market.
And this is the sad reality of the productivity in this country and one of the mains factor of this crisis (RECESSION)
Percy H Florez
GM was building for a domestic market that wanted large vehicles. This market was highly vulnerable to oil price shock. European and Japanese companies were building for domestic markets that wanted fuel efficient vehicles. That's not great forward thinking or green management- that was market dynamics
Second point.
GM built a real electric vehicle in the Volt. Not Toyota. The Japanese are even stuck on NIMH batteries due to their conservative engineering approaches. THey think Lithium ion is too immature.
That's fine. We are out innovating them. Again.
And we'll eat their lunch. Maybe this time we won't let out advantage slip through our fingers.
That's not true about large vehicle. Every Japanese automaker built big vehicle. Look around you aqnd you can see.
About the VOLT vehicle I going to be ready for the market in 2012 according to GM. As a technology is OK but it's only capable of 40M per charge. And there are another option ready to the market right now who is capable to make 145M per charge and it's and European automaker.
About the batteries is very arguable who has the best technology. even the solar technology. and the problem is not ho has or not the best of the best tech., It's about who is ready to deploy this tech right now.
Percy H Florez
Sure, for example the Toyota Land Cruiser is a heavy high quality vehicle. The American market was much more interested in heavy gas guzzlers, contributing the American manufacturer's decision to focus on them.
You are misinformed on the Volt. It's first model year is 2010, not 2012. The range is dependent on consumer choice. Please be honest about 145 mile per charge vehicles. They cost in excess of $100K, and by the way, the most famous of them are again American such as the Tesla Roadster (225 miles per charge, 0-60 in 3.9 seconds), not european.
The Europeans and Japanese do not have leaders capable of making bold moves in automotive technology.
We do, with Barack Obama.
Let's see what happen.
By the way I am part of the generation who buy the MADE IN AMERICA as it.
Percy H Florez
They have been pursuing this on their own nickel, but with federal backing more corners could be cut.
By the way, maximum range with gasoline charger running is 400 miles.
But again I am not in favor of any baiout to the automaker unles they first change the way of being more competitive and atractive to potential costumers special the enxt genartion of americans.
I live with realities and won't deal with ilusions.
Percy H Florez
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